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Post by timberdoodle on Sept 1, 2019 15:00:38 GMT -5
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Post by timberdoodle on Sept 1, 2019 15:05:38 GMT -5
BLACK BEAR
Species First Day Last Day Season Limit Bear, Archery4 Sept. 21 Nov. 29 1 WMUs 2B, 5C and 5D Bear, Archery4 Oct. 5 Nov. 16 1 WMU 5B Bear, Archery4 Oct. 28 Nov. 9 1 WMUs 1A, 1B, 2A, 2C, 2D, 2E, 2F, 2G, 2H, 3A, 3B, 3C, 3D, 4A, 4B, 4C, 4D, 4E and 5A Bear, Muzzleloader4 Oct. 19 Oct. 26 1 (Statewide) Bear, Special firearms4 Oct. 24 Oct. 26 1 Only Junior and Senior License Holders3, Commission Disabled Person Permit Holders (to use a vehicle as a blind) and Residents serving on active duty in the United States Armed Forces or in the United States Coast Guard (Statewide) Bear, Regular Firearms4 Nov. 23 Nov. 27 1 (Statewide)
[/b] Bear, Extended firearms4 Nov. 30 Dec. 14 1 WMUs 2B, 5B, 5C and 5D Bear, Extended firearms4 Nov. 30 Dec. 7 1 WMUs 1B, 2C, 3A, 3B, 3C, 3D, 4A, 4B, 4C, 4D, 4E and 5A [/p]
Copied from from title 58 (regulations) seaons & baglimits
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Post by Dutch on Sept 1, 2019 15:32:12 GMT -5
It's gonna be a slaughter. There will be an over harvest, mark my words! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 15:38:35 GMT -5
Don't anyone get all het up, but I am getting more confused all the time. It isn't that I don't trust anyone to have the right interpretation. I don't trust myself anymore to read what is posted and understand it. So what I did was to email the Executive Director with the following. If I get an answer, which I did not get in response to my phone call last week, I will post it here.
My name, address, phone number, and email followed the above text.
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Post by turkeykiller on Sept 1, 2019 16:54:34 GMT -5
We are not taking about special firearms season. We are are talking about regular inline season
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Sept 2, 2019 6:56:03 GMT -5
Anyone know where to find the definition of Special Firearms, explaining what a Special Firearm is, can be found in the regulations? I can’t, if you do please include link.
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Post by timberdoodle on Sept 2, 2019 7:30:36 GMT -5
(d) Regular and special firearms deer seasons.
(1) Permitted devices. It is lawful to hunt deer during the regular and special firearms deer seasons with any of the following devices:
(i) A manually operated, centerfire rifle or handgun that propels single-projectile ammunition.
(ii) A manually operated or semiautomatic, centerfire shotgun that propels single-projectile ammunition.
(iii) A bow and arrow as permitted under subsection (a)(1)(i).
(iv) A crossbow and bolt as permitted under subsection (a)(1)(ii).
(v) A muzzleloading firearm as permitted under subsection (b)(1) or (c)(1).
(2) Prohibitions. While hunting deer during the regular and special firearms deer seasons, it is unlawful to:
(i) Use or possess multiple projectile ammunition or ammunition other than required under section 2322(a)(4) of the act, except as authorized under section 2525 of the act.
(ii) Use or possess a device or ammunition not provided for in the act or in this subsection, except as authorized under section 2525 of the act.
www.pacode.com/secure/data/058/chapter141/s141.43.html
read.nxtbook.com/pgc/huntingtrapping/20192020/deer_hunting_regulations.html
pg 23 top right of page in Digest
best I can come up with
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 7:54:07 GMT -5
Sorry, but it doesn't do the job that needs done. This deals with the early muzzleloader DEER season and that portion of DEER season from October 24 to 26. What is the rule for those of us hunting bears? Can we use archery tackle to kill a bear during any portion of the week of October 19-26? Can we senior and junior license holders use a centerfire rifle to kill a bear during those three days, October 24-26? The answer to those two questions is anything but clear, and the PGC had better get it clarified before October begins. Otherwise we are going to have a cluster#%$k of massive proportions.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Sept 2, 2019 8:36:40 GMT -5
Here is my take on this season and why. Until I'm shown, in writing from the digest, the game commission web site, or representative of the same, that I am wrong.
Archery during the October muzzleloader season for bear is not allowed to harvest a bear. Nowhere in the regulations does it say it is.
You must you a muzzleloader during this season from Oct 19th to Oct 26th, with one exception.
That exception is; Juniors, seniors, active duty military and certain disabled persons permit holders. These individuals may use a center fire firearm or a muzzleloader from Oct 24th to Oct 26th.
This is the way it has been in the pass for the October muzzle loader antlerless season. The change only affects those hunting bears during this time frame, when no archery equipment is allowed to harvest a bear.
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Post by timberdoodle on Sept 2, 2019 8:44:32 GMT -5
special firearms bear is listed in the regulations under seasons and bag limits (139.1) however in Hunting & Trapping (141.1) there is no mention of a Special Firearms for bear season. And it is under this section of regulation that the permitted devices and prohibited devices are memorialized.
I don't know if the publishers of the regulations have not got to include it as yet or this was an omission on the part of the Commission. It looks like the latter since 139.1 does include the special firearms for bear.
Unfortunately the regulations Title 58 and the Act Title 34 give the legal standing to what is included in the digest. Therefore, without articulating the Special Firearms for Bear Season in 141.l and the permitted/prohibited devices the Special Firearms Season for bear does not exist technically; no matter what the Digest or anyone else says until such time as the Director clarifies.
Just my opinion.
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Post by rs on Sept 2, 2019 8:58:00 GMT -5
I think that if you are archery hunting deer in WMU’s 2B, 5C, 5D & 5B with a bear license during the October 19-26 Muzzle loader bear season, you can harvest a bear with archery equipment, because archery bear season is open in those select WMU’s. Any other units the archery bear season does not begin until October 28, therefore this precludes the use of archery equipment for bears in the majority of the state during the muzzle loader bear season.
It appears that the PGC might have failed to codify the special firearms bear season, although printed in the Hunting Digest, it might be too late to get the season established through regulation change procedures in the Pennsylvania Digest.
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Post by CoureurDeBois on Sept 2, 2019 9:35:23 GMT -5
special firearms bear is listed in the regulations under seasons and bag limits (139.1) however in Hunting & Trapping (141.1) there is no mention of a Special Firearms for bear season. And it is under this section of regulation that the permitted devices and prohibited devices are memorialized. I don't know if the publishers of the regulations have not got to include it as yet or this was an omission on the part of the Commission. It looks like the latter since 139.1 does include the special firearms for bear. Unfortunately the regulations Title 58 and the Act Title 34 give the legal standing to what is included in the digest. Therefore, without articulating the Special Firearms for Bear Season in 141.l and the permitted/prohibited devices the Special Firearms Season for bear does not exist technically; no matter what the Digest or anyone else says until such time as the Director clarifies. Just my opinion. Special Firearms is listed in the digest under Bear, p34
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Post by timberdoodle on Sept 2, 2019 10:58:42 GMT -5
I know that but it just adds to the confusion... The PGC has to get the regulations to coincide with what is printed in the Digest. Titles 58 and 34 are what counts; not the digest, when it comes to enforceable law
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 9:09:09 GMT -5
I got this answer from the southwest region headquarters. If you have further questions, give them a call. So, as I read the above, if you are hunting bears, and are a junior or senior license holder, you may legally use a centerfire rifle, and you may also take antlerless deer with it, but not a buck. If you are using a muzzleloader, you may legally take a bear or an antlerless deer with it, but not a buck. If you wish to use archery tackle, you may legally take a buck or an antlerless deer with it, but not a bear. I sincerely hope this puts the subject to rest. You may now feel free to make decisions based upon the above.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 12:13:34 GMT -5
Well, just when I thought I had it all figured out I get this from the PGC headquarters. OK, now, which of these two do I go by?
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Post by 3212 on Sept 3, 2019 13:34:51 GMT -5
Sounds like a "Seek forgiveness,don't ask permission situation".Fight it after the fact.They need to "Get on the same page".Do they want these bears removed or don't they?
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Post by davet on Sept 3, 2019 13:51:05 GMT -5
I think if you look at the Digest, and the specific dates, you are permitted to use the weapon that the dates state you can use. Some of those dates in some WMU's overlap....so you can use different weapons in those WMU's during the permitted dates.
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Post by turkeykiller on Sept 3, 2019 14:53:14 GMT -5
I'm just gonna go with Joe Biden's words and "take truth over facts". 😁
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Post by dougell on Sept 3, 2019 15:26:32 GMT -5
I think I'm just gonna take a rifle out starting Oct 1 and work out the details later.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 15:40:59 GMT -5
All I can say is that I am very happy I'm not going to be hunting that week in PA.
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Post by 3212 on Sept 4, 2019 7:53:12 GMT -5
Upon rereading the Special Firearms regs for junior and senior hunters,I interpret them to allow juniors and seniors to use centerfire rifles Oct.24,25 and 26 to kill bear.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 8:26:25 GMT -5
That is what the person at southwest region headquarters said in the email from them that I quoted above.. Page 8 of the digest says exactly that. The person who replied to me (in the other email quoted above) from Harrisburg said that is not the case, and only muzzleloaders are allowed for hunting bear unless you are in the special regulations area.
I guess you can choose which interpretation you want to pay attention to. If I were hunting that time period I would be carrying a copy of the response that told me what I wanted to be told (LOL).
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Post by Dutch on Sept 4, 2019 9:25:50 GMT -5
I once called regional and Harrisburg with a question about baiting and got two different answers. It was about using vanilla as a cover scent
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Post by davet on Sept 4, 2019 9:36:49 GMT -5
Upon rereading the Special Firearms regs for junior and senior hunters,I interpret them to allow juniors and seniors to use centerfire rifles Oct.24,25 and 26 to kill bear. The digest is pretty clear on this. IF....you are a Sr. license or Jr. license or active military or have a shoot-from-a-vehicle permit, you can hunt bear from Oct 24-26 with a centerfire firearm if you choose to. You can......like everyone else.....use a M\L of the variety of your choosing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 9:52:48 GMT -5
It seemed pretty clear to me before I got that email from headquarters, Dave.
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