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Post by dougell on Jan 14, 2019 15:23:44 GMT -5
You guys can come hunt with me but don't forget your Lazzeroni warbird and lazer rangefinder.They'll both be invaluable.
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Post by turkeykiller on Jan 14, 2019 16:34:20 GMT -5
Lots of stuff has changed. I think most of us have bought more and more guns over the years not because we wanted a 1000 yard rifle, but because the wife bought a new pair of shoes so what's fair is fair. The one thing that I think has had more of an impact on deer hunting that any piece of equipment, or AR/HR/QDMA plan, is hunting tactics. Most people these days hunt from a tree. They don't move. Mostly because their access to land has shrunken. And everybody else is in a tree and they get really annoyed if they see you walking around. When most deer hunting was walking around and leaning against the occasional tree or sitting on a stump, shots at deer were relatively close. The old ever action Winchester, Savage, or Marlin was the go to gun. Open sights and Meat (Peep) sights were the norm. Times have changed. My old Winchester and Marlin lever guns have not been hunted with for probably 25 years. I need to fix that next season. Time has stood still here Glen.I hunt the same way today as I did as a youngster and that's how I've taught my son how to hunt.There's not all that many people into long range hunting in Pa and not that many are capable.I'm not into lever guns.I like a nice,light bolt action in a short action caliber.It's very rare for me to shoot past 100 yards. Your huntin ethics are to be admired. I never said alot of hunters are into long range huntin. In sayin there are hunters takin shots today at ranges over 200 yds. that they would not have attempted 20 yrs ago because of their equipment. Glenn is right when he says the treestand and blind hunters have changed the game. Spring gobbler huntin is another example. Darn near every year some ammunition maker comes out with a new shotgun shell that kills at a longer range. I think some are now sayin they can kill a bird at 70 yds. To think that no hunter is goin to try it is crazy.
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Post by dougell on Jan 14, 2019 16:59:11 GMT -5
I'll agree with you on the spring gobbler crap but new loads and chokes have changed the game.A 30-06 load from 1965 was just as effective as a 30-06 load today.
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Post by cspot on Jan 14, 2019 17:30:04 GMT -5
That is kinda my point and what I am thinking about. I will use myself for an example. My Dad grew up small game hunting and only started deer hunting once deer became somewhat plentiful in SWPA. The population was low when he started. Rifle hunting was the norm and basically he and others small game hunted for deer. By that I mean that they hunted them like you do rabbits. Working as a group doing drives, following tracks etc. There was very little sit and wait. There methods were extremely effective with a rifle. I started hunting a little after compounds started. My brother and I started hunting with them before my Dad. We didn't know crap about tuning bows, wind directions, thermals, etc. My Dad started with a bow several years after we did. It was a learning process for all of us to figure it out. The internet wasn't around then. Fast forward to today. Even if one doesn't have a mentor that archery hunts, you can read alot of information about setup, wind direction, thermals, etc to give you a big start over say where we were when we started archery hunting. One can easily become an internet expert today or a wannabe professional hunter but that doesn't make it so. I am not saying that reading will make you an expert, but the information that is out there today can give you one hell of a jumpstart.
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Post by cspot on Jan 14, 2019 17:34:49 GMT -5
Lots of stuff has changed. I think most of us have bought more and more guns over the years not because we wanted a 1000 yard rifle, but because the wife bought a new pair of shoes so what's fair is fair. The one thing that I think has had more of an impact on deer hunting that any piece of equipment, or AR/HR/QDMA plan, is hunting tactics. Most people these days hunt from a tree. They don't move. Mostly because their access to land has shrunken. And everybody else is in a tree and they get really annoyed if they see you walking around. When most deer hunting was walking around and leaning against the occasional tree or sitting on a stump, shots at deer were relatively close. The old ever action Winchester, Savage, or Marlin was the go to gun. Open sights and Meat (Peep) sights were the norm. Times have changed. My old Winchester and Marlin lever guns have not been hunted with for probably 25 years. I need to fix that next season. Time has stood still here Glen.I hunt the same way today as I did as a youngster and that's how I've taught my son how to hunt.There's not all that many people into long range hunting in Pa and not that many are capable.I'm not into lever guns.I like a nice,light bolt action in a short action caliber.It's very rare for me to shoot past 100 yards. So because you are living in the 60's you think everyone else is? LOL. Ranefinders have made incredible increases along with scopes with you can dial the range. I don't recall many of those were around in the 60's. Also you can buy factory ammo that is really good right off the shelf instead of having to reload. Even the components are manufacturered to tighter tolerances than years ago. A buddy I used to hunt with alot is into the long range stuff. He routinely kills groundhogs, deer etc at extremely long ranges. His equipment is quite impressive.
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Post by cspot on Jan 14, 2019 17:39:51 GMT -5
Time has stood still here Glen.I hunt the same way today as I did as a youngster and that's how I've taught my son how to hunt.There's not all that many people into long range hunting in Pa and not that many are capable.I'm not into lever guns.I like a nice,light bolt action in a short action caliber.It's very rare for me to shoot past 100 yards. Your huntin ethics are to be admired. I never said alot of hunters are into long range huntin. In sayin there are hunters takin shots today at ranges over 200 yds. that they would not have attempted 20 yrs ago because of their equipment. Glenn is right when he says the treestand and blind hunters have changed the game. Spring gobbler huntin is another example. Darn near every year some ammunition maker comes out with a new shotgun shell that kills at a longer range. I think some are now sayin they can kill a bird at 70 yds. To think that no hunter is goin to try it is crazy. This year my son and I in turkey season doubled up. He shot the longbeard and a jake stopped out about 40 yards. He handed me his 20 gauge with heavyshot and a turkey choke. When I squeezed off the shot it literally about took the head of the gobbler off at 40 yards with a 20 gauge. It was quite impressive as it drove its head straight backward. I would have never done that 20 years ago.
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Post by dougell on Jan 14, 2019 17:43:14 GMT -5
Time has stood still here Glen.I hunt the same way today as I did as a youngster and that's how I've taught my son how to hunt.There's not all that many people into long range hunting in Pa and not that many are capable.I'm not into lever guns.I like a nice,light bolt action in a short action caliber.It's very rare for me to shoot past 100 yards. So because you are living in the 60's you think everyone else is? LOL. Ranefinders have made incredible increases along with scopes with you can dial the range. I don't recall many of those were around in the 60's. Also you can buy factory ammo that is really good right off the shelf instead of having to reload. Even the components are manufacturered to tighter tolerances than years ago. A buddy I used to hunt with alot is into the long range stuff. He routinely kills groundhogs, deer etc at extremely long ranges. His equipment is quite impressive. A very,very small percentage of the harvest is by hunters shooting long range.
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Post by cspot on Jan 14, 2019 17:56:48 GMT -5
So because you are living in the 60's you think everyone else is? LOL. Ranefinders have made incredible increases along with scopes with you can dial the range. I don't recall many of those were around in the 60's. Also you can buy factory ammo that is really good right off the shelf instead of having to reload. Even the components are manufacturered to tighter tolerances than years ago. A buddy I used to hunt with alot is into the long range stuff. He routinely kills groundhogs, deer etc at extremely long ranges. His equipment is quite impressive. A very,very small percentage of the harvest is by hunters shooting long range. I agree. I will also say long range for the weapon being used. Whether that is bow, crossbow, flintlock, shotgun, etc. Most archery kills are within 30 and most rifle kills are probably within 150.
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Post by dougell on Jan 14, 2019 18:02:52 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet that 90% of deer killed with a rifle in Pa are killed under 75 yards.Did you ever attend a standing deer target shoot?Most people can't hit a deer in the vitals offhand at 100 yards.I'll go a step further and say the vast majority can't do it 3 out of 5 times.
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Post by cspot on Jan 14, 2019 18:18:56 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet that 90% of deer killed with a rifle in Pa are killed under 75 yards.Did you ever attend a standing deer target shoot?Most people can't hit a deer in the vitals offhand at 100 yards.I'll go a step further and say the vast majority can't do it 3 out of 5 times. I only practice with rolling tires. Not sure about the 90% under 75 yards. We kill alot of deer in the 100-150 yard range around here.
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Post by davet on Jan 14, 2019 18:30:12 GMT -5
Well.....I KNOW my deer hunting tactics are way different than even 10 years ago. But......this year it proves that even a blind squirrel can find an acorn!!!
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Post by cspot on Jan 14, 2019 18:31:18 GMT -5
Well.....I KNOW my deer hunting tactics are way different than even 10 years ago. But......this year it proves that even a blind squirrel can find an acorn!!! I think you have been reading about photography as well as your picture taking is vastly improved.
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Post by davet on Jan 14, 2019 18:34:19 GMT -5
Well.....I KNOW my deer hunting tactics are way different than even 10 years ago. But......this year it proves that even a blind squirrel can find an acorn!!! I think you have been reading about photography as well as your picture taking is vastly improved. Now look.....don't say that as the rest of the group will expect clear and readable photos!!!
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Post by twofortythree on Jan 21, 2019 11:14:16 GMT -5
Nothing has avdvanced as much in the last 20 years (even close) as the archery equipment. Bows shooting well over 300fps. Carbon shafts, range finding bow sights. Releases have improved. Bows lighter shorter faster. Fiber optics, lighted sights. Better fletchings, lighted nocks. Not to mention crossbows shooting groups at 100 yards. Probably a much more significance in harvest rate too over rifle because of all the technology advances. A big second would be turkey ammo and chokes. I remember the days of having 13 hits in a head and neck target and being happy with that. (12 gauge). Now the big rage is .410 turkey guns!
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Post by Dutch on Jan 21, 2019 12:37:58 GMT -5
I think you have been reading about photography as well as your picture taking is vastly improved. Now look.....don't say that as the rest of the group will expect clear and readable photos!!! Actually Dave, most of us expect very little from you, and we aren't often disappointed. 😂
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Post by davet on Jan 21, 2019 18:24:07 GMT -5
Now look.....don't say that as the rest of the group will expect clear and readable photos!!! Actually Dave, most of us expect very little from you, and we aren't often disappointed. 😂 That's heartwarming Dutch. I'll try....as much as it's very difficult.....to achieve that standard in every post I make. Hey.....I aim to disappoint !!!
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